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		<title>By: iBike 2012: A body at rest &#171; Mad Blog Media</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] plan to spend as much time as is humanly possible piloting a bicycle — one with what Larry calls &#8220;after-lunch gearing&#8221; — instead of a Subaru. Like this:LikeBe the first to like [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] plan to spend as much time as is humanly possible piloting a bicycle — one with what Larry calls &#8220;after-lunch gearing&#8221; — instead of a Subaru. Like this:LikeBe the first to like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: khal spencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the idea of an after lunch gear. 

A lot of the triples I see on road bikes combine a &quot;road plus granny&quot; setup such as 52-42-30 with a tight rear cluster, resulting in a lot of small jumps but no really LOW gears.  One still has to go out and purchase a 12-28 or 12-32 to get a 1:1 or lower ratio, and that sometimes (often) means buying a new rear derailleur, too, so one has adequate wrap-up capacity rather than running a chain that could accidentally blow the system apart from being too short for an accidental cross-chain shift (big outer chainring to big cog). I managed to just get my old Chorus 10-spd to work with the old medium length Chorus derailleur and a 50-34 in front and a cobbled together 12-29 in back, but it took some experimentation that most folks would rather not mess with. Likewise setting up our Co-Motion tandem with a 12-36 off road cassette and a new Shadow derailleur. It works, but it took work to get it that way.

  What&#039;s good about the new Campy stuff is that it is purpose-built to provide about a 1:1 ratio out of the box. No fiddling required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of an after lunch gear. </p>
<p>A lot of the triples I see on road bikes combine a &#8220;road plus granny&#8221; setup such as 52-42-30 with a tight rear cluster, resulting in a lot of small jumps but no really LOW gears.  One still has to go out and purchase a 12-28 or 12-32 to get a 1:1 or lower ratio, and that sometimes (often) means buying a new rear derailleur, too, so one has adequate wrap-up capacity rather than running a chain that could accidentally blow the system apart from being too short for an accidental cross-chain shift (big outer chainring to big cog). I managed to just get my old Chorus 10-spd to work with the old medium length Chorus derailleur and a 50-34 in front and a cobbled together 12-29 in back, but it took some experimentation that most folks would rather not mess with. Likewise setting up our Co-Motion tandem with a 12-36 off road cassette and a new Shadow derailleur. It works, but it took work to get it that way.</p>
<p>  What&#8217;s good about the new Campy stuff is that it is purpose-built to provide about a 1:1 ratio out of the box. No fiddling required.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry T.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Schubert describes what we call the &quot;after lunch gear&quot; which is useful on ALL of our tours, not just the Legendary Climbs. I only started using triples when Campy came out with their first  modern one back in the 90&#039;s...they seem to just get better and better in my experience - I expect this latest one to rival any of their competitor&#039;s offerings as far as shift quality, etc. while providing the legendary reliability and durability the stuff from Vicenza is famous for - but of course I AM biased in favor of all things Italian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schubert describes what we call the &#8220;after lunch gear&#8221; which is useful on ALL of our tours, not just the Legendary Climbs. I only started using triples when Campy came out with their first  modern one back in the 90&#8242;s&#8230;they seem to just get better and better in my experience &#8211; I expect this latest one to rival any of their competitor&#8217;s offerings as far as shift quality, etc. while providing the legendary reliability and durability the stuff from Vicenza is famous for &#8211; but of course I AM biased in favor of all things Italian.</p>
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		<title>By: khal spencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve only bonked really hard twice. The worst of the two was halfway between Ithaca and Elmira on hilly NY-13. I sat in a gas station, alone, pumping quarters into a vending machine and eating Hostess Twinkies with my eyes glazed over and running a fever from an oncoming flu. It really was that bad. The other time, on Long Island, three of us co-bonked, so we could lean on each other for moral support as we faced 50 miles into a headwind to get home. Those are the memories of a life of cycling.

On a serious tour when you have your legs and your ass as your only reliable friends, one can&#039;t have a low enough gear. A well designed triple is a good idea. My recollection is they went out of fashion due to lousy shifting, poor Q, and ego.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only bonked really hard twice. The worst of the two was halfway between Ithaca and Elmira on hilly NY-13. I sat in a gas station, alone, pumping quarters into a vending machine and eating Hostess Twinkies with my eyes glazed over and running a fever from an oncoming flu. It really was that bad. The other time, on Long Island, three of us co-bonked, so we could lean on each other for moral support as we faced 50 miles into a headwind to get home. Those are the memories of a life of cycling.</p>
<p>On a serious tour when you have your legs and your ass as your only reliable friends, one can&#8217;t have a low enough gear. A well designed triple is a good idea. My recollection is they went out of fashion due to lousy shifting, poor Q, and ego.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick O'Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick O'Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karen, it would&#039;ve made his life a lot easier, for sure. The dog was some class of Chihuahua or min-Pin, about the size of a belligerent rat, and the dude looked fit. But maybe a bike and trailer constituted more possessions than he was willing to accept.

I recall a time when I could transport all my worldly goods in a Japanese pickup. I left a bike behind once because there was simply no room for it. Now I need an 18-wheeler just to fetch the damn&#039; bikes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, it would&#8217;ve made his life a lot easier, for sure. The dog was some class of Chihuahua or min-Pin, about the size of a belligerent rat, and the dude looked fit. But maybe a bike and trailer constituted more possessions than he was willing to accept.</p>
<p>I recall a time when I could transport all my worldly goods in a Japanese pickup. I left a bike behind once because there was simply no room for it. Now I need an 18-wheeler just to fetch the damn&#8217; bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick O'Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick O'Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, Charley, where are you hanging your hat lately? Some colleagues and I tried to get Scotched up in Vegas during Interbike and had to call it quits around midnight because the joint was empty and the barkeep wanted to go home. Reminded me of drinking in Bibleburg, is what.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Charley, where are you hanging your hat lately? Some colleagues and I tried to get Scotched up in Vegas during Interbike and had to call it quits around midnight because the joint was empty and the barkeep wanted to go home. Reminded me of drinking in Bibleburg, is what.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick O'Grady</title>
		<link>http://maddogmedia.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/ibike-2012-leaving-las-vegas/#comment-16705</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick O'Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aw, shucks, Ray. Give my thanks to Miss Spoke. The two of you make a lovely couple, and I wish you all the best.

And yes, nada is precisely what I merit in nearly all situations. After a quarter century of trying to turn me into a passable facsimile of a human being, Herself deserves all the jewelry she can carry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, shucks, Ray. Give my thanks to Miss Spoke. The two of you make a lovely couple, and I wish you all the best.</p>
<p>And yes, nada is precisely what I merit in nearly all situations. After a quarter century of trying to turn me into a passable facsimile of a human being, Herself deserves all the jewelry she can carry.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick O'Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick O'Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[K, I&#039;ve ridden SRAM&#039;s Apex group, which will give you a low end of 34x32 in 2x10, and it works fine. Shimano 105 yields a similar setup, if memory serves.

But I like John Schubert&#039;s notion about the utility of low gears, outlined in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/201004_TouringBikeBuyersGuide_Schubert.pdf&quot; title=&quot;Adventure Cyclist&#039;s 2012 Buyers&#039; Guide&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the 2010 Buyers&#039; Guide&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;em&gt;Adventure Cyclist&lt;/em&gt;:

&quot;At some point on a long tour, you&#039;ll encounter the perfectly bad confluence of events: a steep hill, a sore butt, and low blood sugar.&quot;

John recommends a gear between 20 and 25 inches &quot;for that moment on tour when the hill is two miles long and you&#039;re already tired.&quot;

The 34x32 low end served up by Apex gave me 28.7 gear inches on a Jamis Aurora Elite, with 175mm cranks and 700x32 tires. This ol&#039; dog needs more lovin&#039; than that when the going gets steep. Shoot, some of my cyclo-cross bikes go 34x28, though 38x26 used to be the norm. And I&#039;m not carrying any weight on a &#039;cross bike, unless you count the Large Irish Ass (LIA).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K, I&#8217;ve ridden SRAM&#8217;s Apex group, which will give you a low end of 34&#215;32 in 2&#215;10, and it works fine. Shimano 105 yields a similar setup, if memory serves.</p>
<p>But I like John Schubert&#8217;s notion about the utility of low gears, outlined in <a href="http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/201004_TouringBikeBuyersGuide_Schubert.pdf" title="Adventure Cyclist's 2012 Buyers' Guide" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">the 2010 Buyers&#8217; Guide</a> from <em>Adventure Cyclist</em>:</p>
<p>&#8220;At some point on a long tour, you&#8217;ll encounter the perfectly bad confluence of events: a steep hill, a sore butt, and low blood sugar.&#8221;</p>
<p>John recommends a gear between 20 and 25 inches &#8220;for that moment on tour when the hill is two miles long and you&#8217;re already tired.&#8221;</p>
<p>The 34&#215;32 low end served up by Apex gave me 28.7 gear inches on a Jamis Aurora Elite, with 175mm cranks and 700&#215;32 tires. This ol&#8217; dog needs more lovin&#8217; than that when the going gets steep. Shoot, some of my cyclo-cross bikes go 34&#215;28, though 38&#215;26 used to be the norm. And I&#8217;m not carrying any weight on a &#8216;cross bike, unless you count the Large Irish Ass (LIA).</p>
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		<title>By: khal spencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At my age, vanity gets old real, real fast. I&#039;ll go with a well designed triple any day and leave the macho stuff for the young studs who don&#039;t know any better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my age, vanity gets old real, real fast. I&#8217;ll go with a well designed triple any day and leave the macho stuff for the young studs who don&#8217;t know any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry T.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried that 2 X 10 stuff for a couple of seasons but when my compact-equipped bike developed a mechanical issue I couldn&#039;t fix in time for our 2011 Legendary Climbs tour I borrowed a triple-equipped bike from our rental fleet. After remembering how much I enjoyed the wider range of gearing available, I ditched the compact for 2012 and went back to the triple, cobbling together a 10 speed setup with a 30 X 29 low gear. Made the Passo Stelvio seem easier than two years ago and at my age that&#039;s a no-brainer! With the new, lower Q factor, Campy&#039;s new triples pretty much ditch ANY reason not to use a triple - excluding vanity of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried that 2 X 10 stuff for a couple of seasons but when my compact-equipped bike developed a mechanical issue I couldn&#8217;t fix in time for our 2011 Legendary Climbs tour I borrowed a triple-equipped bike from our rental fleet. After remembering how much I enjoyed the wider range of gearing available, I ditched the compact for 2012 and went back to the triple, cobbling together a 10 speed setup with a 30 X 29 low gear. Made the Passo Stelvio seem easier than two years ago and at my age that&#8217;s a no-brainer! With the new, lower Q factor, Campy&#8217;s new triples pretty much ditch ANY reason not to use a triple &#8211; excluding vanity of course.</p>
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